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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 12, 2010 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1985

One of the controversial years . Some bemoan the sloppiness and throw it in with the junkie era , saying that there is no difference between '83 or '84 ( or other added years , i.e. '82 )
Others see risk taking ( Cryptical - sadly a failure ) , the return of some wonderful songs ( 1/2 step , CFingers , SBTM ) and a trippy , crazy energy lacking , well for a long time .
I am in the pro - '85 camp because of some of these shows
4 - 14 - 85 ( 2 )
6 - 24 - 85 ( 2 )
6 - 27 - 85 ( 1 ) - Yo Butch , There are 50,000 people waiting for you to get back in your seat , man
7 - 1 - 85 ( 2 )
11 - 21 - 85 ( 2 )
Thoughts from the peanut gallery ?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 12, 2010 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I listen to 1985 on occasion, to me every year sounds unique, I can pick out 85 from a mile away...everything in '85 was to excess, the music was on nitrous for the whole year basically...Garcia was letting it all hang out during the 84-86 period, 85 might have been his worst...however his playing had times of great energy and intensity, his voice wavered often from tolerable to fozzie bear choking on a chili dog...Weir was loaded up with effects bigtime, as was the drumkits... go to the following shows: 03-25-1985, 03-27-2985, 04-08-1985, 06-15-1985, 06-16-2985, 06-24-1985, 06-25-1985, 06-30-1985, 07-01-1985, 07-13-1985, 08-30-1985, 09-07-1985, 11-01-1985, 11-22-1985, 12-30-1985

06-30 is my personal favorite show of the year. 06-25 and 03-25, 03-27 I find myself coming back to regularly...

don't forget one of the most notorious shows of all time: Boreal Ridge 08-24-1985!!!





This post was modified by stratocaster on 2010-06-13 01:21:32

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 12, 2010 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I kind of see 1985 as a "best of the worst" type of year because I see it as being the most interesting year of the rather sad, lifeless period between 1982 and the coma. The shows are still pretty bad (yes, there are exceptions as always, such as 11/1 and 11/2/85), but there's a little more variety to '85 than to '84 or the truly dreadful 1986 (for my money the worst Dead year prior to the toliet of 1992-95).

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 12, 2010 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I attended 23 shows in 1985, more than in any other year. But I only saw two of those shows that you mentioned as reasons why you like the year (6/27 & 7/1).

At the time, I did enjoy most of those shows that I attended, particularly the two at the Fox Theatre (10/28 & 10/29), as well as 11/1 in Richmond.

Unfortunately, I cant agree with you, and I now find it rather difficult listening to any of that stuff. Many folks consider the Hershey show on 6/28 to be a great performance. I think it sucked!

For whatever reason, I no longer enjoy the music the band performed after 1981. But just for nostagia, I am streaming the Supplication Jam from 11/10 right now...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-11-10.sbd.barbella.12264.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 13, 2010 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I am also in the "I don't like to listen past 81" category. But at least I'm moving up, before I used to say I don't listen beyond 79 or 80.

I like the "best of the worst" description.

11/21/85 is probably the only show from the whole year that I could actually tell you most of the setlist. I am notorious for an extreme lack of knowledge of 80's/90's GD. Sure there's some "good" stuff in there, but as a guy who has every setlist and note from 66-77 or so memorized, the 80's and 90's just don't really do it for me. I mean I can listen to it if I "have" to, I'm not gonna get up and yell "turn that crap OFF!" I don't hate those years, and I don't begrudge those who do like those years, they're just not for me. I spend most my time in the 72-74 range, with extended vacations in the 68-71 and 76-78 eras.

So my answer is no, I do not like 1985.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jun 13, 2010 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I agree with you on the Fox Theater shows. I had great fun there. At the time I was impressed by the performances. It was a peak time for my having the freedom to go to shows, but now I rarely listen to that era as I'm much more happy with pre '81. Most of the 80's shows I listen to now have some connection to particular songs or were shows I attended. I can't remember the last time I listened all the way through an 80's show.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 13, 2010 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

Count me as a third that had great fun at those Fox shows but never listens to those shows unless pops up in a review, thread or TDIH and even then I seldom make it all the way through.

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Poster: darkstar041472 Date: Jun 13, 2010 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I use to think of the '85 Hershey show as fantastic.

I consider it horrible now.

The fact that is was a great sounding SBD back in the day of tapes probably had a lot to do with it.

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Jun 13, 2010 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

Don't forget 9-15-85.

I saw the most shows ever in '85 and I still like it, warts and all. Shows were often short and/or sloppy, but many crackled with a ragged energy not found in some of the comatose years immediately before or after. Plus Phil just sounds huge on some of those '85 boards.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 12, 2010 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

here's a real nice show with a very rare 1st set Fire on the Mtn. The Comes A Time is one of my favorites.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-07-13.sbd.georges.372.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: wineland Date: Jun 13, 2010 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

Wow, listening now. Started with The Wheel and listened through the end, minus encore. Went back to the beginning and was fully impressed. The FOTM is wonderful. Thank you PG.

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Jun 12, 2010 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

GRATEFUL DEAD! http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-03-28.mtx.fix-shnid-77465.griesman.89074.flac16

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Poster: pjcenedella Date: Jun 12, 2010 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

85 isnt the worst year, but id definitely take a lot of other years over it.

that being said, i'm a big fan of the greek theater run in 85. real fast tempo and energetic playing. correct me if im wrong but i think there's a good 'dark star' encore for one of those shows?

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jun 12, 2010 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

Greek '84 saw the Darkstar. I'm in the "not a fan" of '85 camp. Fall '84 through all of '86 sees very little play time for me. Maybe Dayjob every other night spoils it for me or the immense amout of mono sounding soundboards that i used to collect back in the analog days. I think more often than not there just weren't any great jams from that period. Why Don't We Do it in the Road or On The Drums..... abysmal.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 12, 2010 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

Granted it's hardly a monster jam, LOL, but IMO there's a great Do it On the Road from 7/6/84 (Alpine Valley). After that it seemed to turn into the Comedy Moment, but I like that one.

Personally I like a lot in the 82-85 era, though not all those Day Jobs. Why, oh why, did they stop playing St. Stephen so quickly, yet persist in playing Day Job over and over? Sigh.

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Jun 12, 2010 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

I also saw the bulk of my shows in '85, in fact I think I only missed a dozen of so. The shows I listen to these days are almost always from '83-'84.Funny, but To me, there is a big difference. I Think '83 was just smoking , though I understand the '69,'74,'77 lover's gripes.
I check in w/ some '85 now and then, mostly 2nd night at the Greek, Springfield (serious Mr. Fantasy) and other occasional tidbits

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jun 12, 2010 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

The fall tour in 1983 is the last great run (in my opinion of course). Just about every show is high octane, occasionally sloppy, but still entertaining. Although you don't get the jazzy jams that Cliff likes, I like the way Jerry extended solos on many songs: Big RR and Brown Eyed on 10/15, Cumberland and Cassidy on 10/12, Sugaree on 10/17, the manic China Cat on 9/10, the crazy jam out of space on 10/31, all the Slipknots, etc etc.

As for 1985 6-27-85 has always been one of my favorite shows but I'll pass on this year for the most part.

This post was modified by billydlions on 2010-06-13 01:38:44

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 12, 2010 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1985

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-30.sbd.miller.89192.sbeok.flac16

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